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Debora.

It is common for people to be worse the second time round. For two reasons. One is association. You know how bad it was and think it will be like that again. The other one is that for some reason your body blocks or rejects the effects of the medication if you have restarted it. Some times you have to do a different medication in the same class. ( from my therapist ).

You keep asking yourself if it will ever get better instead of telling yourself that it will. You keep finding reasons why you won't get better. Age, sickness, outside influences. These are all reasons you are using for justifying your slow progress, but being negative they are actually causing your slow progress. From personal experience I will tell that it is harder if you are sick and it is harder to learn as we age. But neither is going to stop the process. Nor will outside influences. If you want it you will fight tooth and nail to get it. 
If some one rides on you, don't accept it, change the subject or tell them you have other things to do. Be assertive. Just because you love some one does not mean you have to listen to them. It is your life, if they want to live it for you rather than share it then ignore them totally.
And I mean totally. Change the subject or agree and move on. Do not absorb the negative.
I went to extremes and do not communicate with my brother. He will never understand therefore has no right to comment. That is a fact carved in stone. 

Crying is a healthy release as long as you do it and accept it for what it is and don't put a negative spin on it. Do not feel bad for doing it and do not feel weak. Do it when you need to and think of it as part of the cure. A necessary part. 

How much can you take? Actually a lot. You would be surprised. If you are not passing out you are handling it a lot better than you think. And there is the key. Thinking will make it worse. Accept it is happening. Accept it is going to be worse than last time. Accept it is going to take longer. But even more important accept that you are the one making it do this. 
Back to the beginning of this post. Association. You need to stop thinking it is going to be bad because it was. Instead think "I am stronger than I think (Davit says so) I can beat this again."
Consider the possibility that you may need your doctor to put you on something different if what you are taking is not working. It might not be.
Concentrate on this program, it is proven to work. Ignore everyone else's advice unless they know for sure what they are talking about. Never mind if they love you and mean well. They are not helping. You have to do this on your own. We are here to help and support but you have to do the work. 
Do this for your son, but more important, do it for you so you can do it for him. Don't leave yourself out. Leave everyone else out. Leaving them in is too big of a load. You can add them later. Much later when you are better. 

You can keep asking if you will ever get better and I will keep telling you you will. But I will not put a time on it if you keep thinking of it in a negative way.
Tough love I'm afraid but love never the less. We want you to get better and I will give you all the help and support I can but you may not like some of it. 
Just keep in mind that I have been through this. I care, and I don't even know you. That is how important it is. 

If I'm slow answering, it is harvest time and I am unbelievably busy. But I do read and I do answer. I am still here for you.

Your friend, Davit.
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Hi Deb, 
 
Hope you were able to get a restful sleep last night.  It sounds like you've been holding a lot of stress and tension.  Crying is a healthy way to let it all out!  As much as crying your eyes out can hurt and feel like it will never stop and that you shouldn't have any more tears to shed... it is a better alternative than to hold it all in.
I'm glad you are comfortable to reach out to us, and like members have said, we are here for you - you are not alone.

Rather than letting the day 'happen to you' today, think of your tasks at hand and how you can take control! 
For example, do call your therapist again as Sunny suggested.  Let her know you are interested in meeting with her.  Take a portion of your day today to do something for yourself, something to help you feel happy:  go for a walk in nature, paint your nails, read part of a good book...  Think of writing a letter to your sister to say everything you want to say to her.  You don't need to give it to her or to anyone -you can rip it up or burn it afterward- but just get it off your chest.
 
Think about ways to reward yourself for moving forward in ways that help you return to your true self!
 
Thinking of you, 

Vincenza, Health Educator
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Hi Debora:  So sorry you are going through this really rough patch.  As for the therapist calling you back, don't hesitate to keep calling her.  That's what I had to do.  I called every single wk. for an update on my status on the waiting list.  I was polite, but just kept calling and asking and reminding that I needed someone asap.  Pls. don't give up, it will get better.
 
  Nighttime can be a bad time to have all those emotions.  Daytime seems to perk us up a bit, not as much time to think, think, think if you keep busy.  Remember the relaxation techniques morning and night.  Drink calming herbal teas, ginger mint, chamomile.  Last night would have been a good time to take that really hot soak in the tub and cry in there.  Release all the tension.  I used to light a candle and look at the flame, my thoughts would wander of course, but I'd go back to the flame and just watch all the colours and shapes it took.  Lavendar in baths is relaxing too.
 
I remember my sister not believing in this disorder also chastising me for all sorts of things.  I had to believe in myself.  Thanked her for her concern, but believed in what I was doing was the right thing.  Hung onto that.  That I knew what was best for myself and family.  Next time she calls to criticize, thank her but tell her firmly that you are doing your best to get well and ask for her prayers for you and family.  No more, no less.  Don't get sucked into an argument, back and forth explanations.  It will deplete your energy and make you sadder that you haven't been heard nor understood. Perhaps later when you are stronger emotionally and physcially you can ask for her support.  Right now, she is probably frustrated not knowing how to help you.  Let her know just praying for you and family is good help.
 
Keep posting, this is good.  We are hear listening, you are not alone. 
 
Thinking of you and praying for you,
Sunny
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Are you still awake Davit? I am sitting her just crying my eyes out. Maybe I should not have wrote that last post it depressed me so bad, I am so very depressed I am dreading the day ahead of me, another day of fear and crying and I dont if I can take it. I hope that therapist calls me back I know I need help ASAP and I have not been getting it, I am so very down right now I cannot stop crying. Will this ever go away? will I ever be normal and happy again? I dont know how much more I can take.
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You brought up very good questions and Davit. This first happened about 10 yrs ago due to a trauma a very bad situation, too long too go into but its in the past and I made peace, that was the worst time and if you can believe it I was even worse off than I am now, the second time happened five years ago, I went back on a antidepressant but this time it did not work in fact it made things worse, I had to go to ER because of the side effects, I remember getting better but I dont remember how??? it just went away and I was so thankful and grateful, the first time it lasted 16 months, the second time about a year, this time we are going into nine months, so much time wasted being scared and not living so much time wasted, I grieve for that. I dont know how I got better Davit, I remember praying very hard {as I am doing now} and right before Christmas I got better and for five years felt alright, not great, still had a little anxiety, hypocrondria but nothing and mean nothing like this! I was not housebound or severely depressed, I cannot believe it returned, it was like I had some big hideous sore on my face and it went away and one day I looked at it was back, I still cant believe it and I dont know what I did to have it go away all It just went away, I thought in answer to prayer, I had some youth back then and was not going through peri-menopause through, all I remember is how happy I was to have it go away and I dont know what I did I wish I could remember.
 
Health problems brought it on this time, I broke down and I thought if I sought treatment right away {I got a therapist, called my nurse-practioner upped my klonopin} I could "ward it off" no such luck, it got bad anyway this time I tried to nip it in the bud and I failed, I started going down in January and got help right away, not like before, and it did not seem to make a difference Davit I got sicker and sicker, and that was even more scary, I was getting help and NOT getting better, maybe that is why I feel so down and think CBT wont help me, I have been down this road before and its so hard, my primary care doctor said  "with treatment I dont have to live this way" he was wrong, I am living this way and I hate it and it seems the harder I try to get better the worse I get, does that make sense? do I just "suffer in silence" or "learn to live with it" I dont know Davit? all I know is I cannot learn to live with it, noone should have too, I know there are a lot of people suffering from this and my heart breaks for them, if medication and CBT do not work what do I do? I dont think there is anything else.
 
I DO know I have a strong desire to live and recover just have not figured how too yet, I know three things are keeping me sick, low self-esteem, FEAR and negative thinking, a lot to conquer, I am trying so hard Davit I really am, I do know one thing I dont want to live this life of fear anymore, its been so long since I felt joy or happiness or even a little peace, I think we all deserve a second chance and I hope I get it, I just hope as I get older it does not get harder, I need help I just have come up empty so many times. I have to have hope through, you cant lose hope, thats all I have right now, hope to recover and live again.
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Hormones are the trigger (situation) Perception is the problem (thought) Negativity is the reaction. (anxiety)  Still the triangle. 

But yes thought is more positive so the reaction should be milder as should the trigger.
Like you said every woman gets this so why should you react so strong if it is not your perception. (negative thoughts)

Core beliefs are powerful and I can see a number of them here. I wonder if you built them in childhood or later. The longer you have had them the harder to change them.

Why did it come back? What set it off? How did you get rid of it last time? things to think about.

Davit.
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Thank you Samantha for you're very insightful and helpful reply. I do not reward myself much I beat myself up but I never really thought of it like that. This is going to take sometime I see now this is not going to be some quick fix, I have been axious depressed and negative for so long its going to take time to challange and control these thoughts I know now. During this time of the month I am probably at my worst and I am sure its hormonal I feel weak and in pain and everything looks more bleak that it normally would, but its a fact of life for every woman and I guess I just have to get through it and get through family situations. Sometimes I think if I felt better and looked better I would think better, this disorder is very confusing and scary for me, I never thought it would come back again and after five years it did and it seems worse, I guess I worry because its been nine months with little improvement I worry "will it every go away again" "can I live again" I must think more positive about it something that will be very hard for me but I am so willing to to do, and the fact that I cannot take medicine just instills it in me more, noone should live this way and yet I have been doing it and I want it to change. I will take you're advice, whenever I go down physcially I go down emotionally, at least I see that now. Thank you Samantha.
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Hello Debora,

Sorry to hear that you are experiencing a difficult day. Challenging core beliefs is hard. Also, change is hard and add facing painful things to the mix makes it that much harder!  It is normal to feel overwhelmed when trying to change the way you think. The program is great because it helps you to break down this larger goal (changing how you think) into smaller, more manageable steps. This in itself is motivating. But there are other ways to feel more motivated as well.  One big one thing that we talk about a lot here but I feel many members overlook is rewarding yourself.  Each and every step you take towards challenging a negative core belief is something to be proud of.  Really acknowledge this! I have seen many of you come leaps and bounds since when you first came.  Do you know how amazing this is?  Celebrate it .  Do what you need to do to be present to each goal you achieve and how far you have already come. Set up rewards plan with big rewards for the bigger goals. How can you celebrate?
 
Another way to increase motivation is to focus on the positives of challenging thoughts and not how hard it is.  Whenever you catch yourself thinking "this is hard" stop and refocus.   Write down your reasons why it is important and try to think of even more reasons.  Try to think of the feelings that goes along with these reasons too.  One great way to get more reasons is to pick one reason and then ask yourself, "What does this give me that I don't already have?" You can ask yourself this question 100 times and go deeper and deeper.  Once you have your list, keep it handy and pull it out when you are feeling unmotivated.
 
What are some other ways you can motivate yourself? What has challenging your thoughts already brought to your life?
What can challenging your thoughts bring to your life?
 
 
Samantha, Health Educator
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I am having a very bad day. Bad monthly woman problem and bad news concerning my husband. His feet are very very bad he can barely walk and the Doctor said he will NOT do surgery until he loses some weight and gets his diabeties under control, he needs help and this is the second Doctor he has gone too and I am very worried, also the therapist I called has not called me back after two voice messages and the one I am seeing now has not helped, in fact I think he has made me worse.
 
My sister called and really beat me up, she started yelling saying "you better help you're husband or their gonna carrry him out on a stretcher then you will really have problems" and then "you refuse to get help for yourself and this therapist you are seeing has not helped and he just wants the money, he does not want you to get better because then he will lose money" It was so scary so unhelpful and negative I had to hang up the phone and I just shook and sobbed, the last thing I need is someone scaring me and beating me up I am already terrified about my husbands physical health and my mental state and she basically is saying noone can help! I cannot talk to her for awhile, I love her but these things she are saying are setting me way back, I at my worst right now with cramping and weakness and she should try to comfort not scare me like this.
 
I guess my question is "how do you think positive and get better when all around you is negativity and problems" I have a autistic special needs son also and I have to be strong for him, that is why I sleep so much just to escape this hell, I so want to get a doctor or therapist too help me get strong and better and recover but I have come up empty, its like noone cares, is it really all about the money? I mean I cannot believe I cannot get help, I have insurance and I seem to keep picking the wrong ones and the one I think may help never called back, I am losing hope, my family is falling apart and I am terrified, we have noone to help us, my parents are deceased, his Mom is 88 yrs old and all family is far away, we are really on our own, every night I get down on my knees and pray for help, if things could just get a little better, its so negative and depressing. How can CBT help when things look so bad? is it hopeless? I just want to live again and get out of the house, but I look so bad and sick I stay in, my therapist should of told me months ago he could not help me and maybe things would not of gotten so bad, he mentions money problems a lot and I know he needs money, but if cant help me that is so unfair and wrong, I cancelled him yesterday I just could not take crying again and him looking at me with that grin and having no help or advice.
 
I am trying so hard to follow the program but its so hard when you're life is so out of control, the depression and agorophobia is at a all time high, I am just hoping and praying things can improve. I am sorry for venting I just feel so alone and scared, I know I need help and I cant get it, my primary cannot help me I know. Can CBT work when everything is so wrong?

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