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Elaine. I did the whole course, 21mg, 14mg, 7 mg. I felt most uncomfortable on the 21mg because it affected my sleeping. Also I was scared about the step down from 21 to 14 mg, and it took around 3 or 4 days to adjust, and as Faith says, the junkie thoughts are really active during that time. The next step down from 14mg to 7mg was much easier - again the 3 or 4 day adjustment period, but easer. From 7 mg to 0 was the easiest of all. So the main reason for being on a whole course of patches, is that you break the psychological and emotional triggers. If your method is working for you, then keep going. So long as you don't smoke, then you are putting more and more distance between yourself and the addiction. Keep going for whatever time you need - another few weeks on NRT makes no odds at all health wise. The long term prize is more important. It might be worth thinking about what went wrong last time - did you put yourself under too much pressure? did you expose yourself to temptation too early? did you have a bad day and panic? You want to come up with a plan - what you are going to do when you hit one of these crisis points again? Your plan might be that 1) you leave the party 2) you go to the ladies and drink some water + count to 50 3) that you come here and post 4) eat doughnuts (well it works for Homer). It will take a number of weeks for you to start feeling more confident about not smoking. You might feel a bit miserable at times too. There will be good days and bad days. Be nice to yourself - you are in "recovery". Your body is recovering like crazy from all the toxins. The work you are doing now is an investment for the many years ahead when you will be free. You must be into Day 59 now. Fantastic going. Lizzie :) [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B]4/23/2003 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 1776 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 26,640 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] �6,660.00 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 182 [B]Hrs:[/B] 16 [B]Mins:[/B] 31 [B]Seconds:[/B] 50
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yes faith that's exactly the experience i had coming off the patch, so what i'm doing now is leaving it off most of the day with the idea i can stick it back on again if things get hairy. yesterday i lef tit off all day. if necessary i'll also snip the patches to reduce them in smaller decrements. it's just i came so very close to smoking when i quit the patch, i had the fag in my hand and would have smoked it except my mate didn't have a light. that's dangerous. i feel better knowing i can just stick the patch back on me if i get anxious, it's not bothering me that i don't have one on at the moment. i'll quit them, but gently.there's no logic to it, i'm having no craving at the moment because i know i can just stick a patch on if i get panicky. that just shows how much more psychological it is than chemical elaine [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B]1/4/2008 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 58 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 1,160 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] �432.10 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 6 [B]Hrs:[/B] 13 [B]Mins:[/B] 13 [B]Seconds:[/B] 16
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Hi Elaine, For me, quitting on the patch has worked out quite well this time. With each step down I knew and prepared myself for the inevitable few days of discomfort as my body adjusted to a lower dose of nicotine. For me it lasted about four days. The biggest thing I noticed during those four days was that the Junkie Thinking became very active! So, what I had to do was recognize that all it was, was the addiction seeing that it was losing its place in my life and was screaming out in protest. I WAS WINNING THE WAR! :) It came down to what level of discomfort was I willing to endure to beat this thing. And I have to say that with each step down, because I knew what was coming, it seemed to be easier to go through. Take care, Faith [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B]12/23/2007 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 69 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 1,725 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $828.00 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 7 [B]Hrs:[/B] 21 [B]Mins:[/B] 20 [B]Seconds:[/B] 13
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thanks lizzie, that's some powerful quit you have going on there. yes allen carr and joel spritzer ended up very rich, i'm just not going to read that stuff while i'm on patches. can you remember if you had trouble stepping down or quitting the patches? elaine [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B]1/4/2008 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 57 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 1,140 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] �424.65 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 6 [B]Hrs:[/B] 10 [B]Mins:[/B] 26 [B]Seconds:[/B] 53
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Elaine, It there were a single proven way of quitting smoking, then someone would be very rich! Addiction is such a complex interwoven mixture of pharmacology, psychology, brain chemistry, and everyone's mix is different. There are almost "religious wars" between groups about nrt versus cold turkey. I believe that the best way to quit is the way that works for you. It is quite normal for people to have several goes at quitting before they break free - there is often an element of trial and error whilst people find the right way for them. If you feel that you are strongly chemically addicted, then I think the patch is a really good method because it does not deliver a 'hit' and you go down slowly. These were the reasons why I chose it for myself. Keep going, Elaine. You are heading in the right direction. Lizzie [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B]4/23/2003 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 1774 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 26,610 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] �6,652.50 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 182 [B]Hrs:[/B] 11 [B]Mins:[/B] 49 [B]Seconds:[/B] 48
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thanks nonic, massive quit ,you, well done! what i'm going to do is stick with one bunch of experts for the four remaining weeks of my NRT (my doctor was suggesting i stay on it even longer again)I'm not going to read Allen Carr or Joel Spritzer again until i'm nic-free. i'll just trust that SOME science other than the science of profit maximisation went into designing NRT programmes. anyway i'll try again in a month or 6 weeks to finish altogether with nrt. i know from past quits that i do get a withdrawal from it and i usually relapse to smoking within days. so really had i known about chantix this time i'd have gone for it because my nrt quits are problematic. i get addicted to the NRT and I never want to come off it.there's a minority -can't find out how sizable-that do become addicted to NRT.that's why i'm using the patch instead of the inhaler, intuitively it feels less addictive since you stick it on and forget about it whereas with theinhaler your fiddling with it and timing yourself all day and night. my experience of coming off the inhaler whilst using the patch was exactly like i'd just quit smoking. whatever way my dopamine reward pathways work, i'm a nicotine addict and i'm just happy that i've compromised on my delivery system. cynical. no, i went 6 days nic free, i did try. and i will try again.i just wish there was definitive advice instead of conflicts of interest. thanks for your post nonic [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B]1/4/2008 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 56 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 1,120 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] �417.20 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 6 [B]Hrs:[/B] 9 [B]Mins:[/B] 32 [B]Seconds:[/B] 11
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elaine This whole issue is very confusing. On the face of it, NRTs are an oxymoron because on a purely rational level it is illogical to end a dependency by changing the method of delivery. However, because the traditional method of delivery (cigarettes) contains enough poison to choke an elephant, the idea of limiting the addiction to its simplest form (nicotine) does make sense. I used an NRT and eventually taught myself not to smoke. It can be done. However, we must always be aware that it is our responsibility to continue learning how not to be dependent on nicotine. My understanding of the addiction is rooted in a behavioral model and therefore I feel that we must relearn how to interact with our environment sans cigarettes, For me it is always about quitting from the inside out and adding the extra dimention of using NRTs requires that I continue that learning process while being cognizant of the fact that I am still using nicotine. Eventually I was able to go naked as they say and have not looked back. You will do the same when the time is right and proper for your good self. In the mean time don't be so hard on yourself that you begin to buy into the myth of deprivation. Freedom from smoking is not deprivation, it is an act of independence that will reward you many times over... Good Luck nonic [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B]12/25/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 431 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 12,930 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $4,525.50 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 80 [B]Hrs:[/B] 10 [B]Mins:[/B] 7 [B]Seconds:[/B] 31
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i just spoke to niall my doctor and he says: you smoked for 36 years, what's a few months on nrt? he said just take it slowly and not worry about it so long as i don't smoke. so i'll just stop beating myself up about it. yes allen carr and joel spritzer both advocate cold turkey and are very anti-nrt, as was a book i read by gillian riley. but then the quitline and doctor are very proNRT so it's confusing elaine [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B]1/4/2008 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 56 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 1,120 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] �417.20 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 6 [B]Hrs:[/B] 8 [B]Mins:[/B] 36 [B]Seconds:[/B] 59
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eilis59, You're doing great! Don't feel bad that you've gone back on the patch, the most important thing is that you're not smoking! Keep persevering! Sylvie, Bilingual Health Educator
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We were posting back at the same time! I've heard about people getting addicted to the gum. It seems to be less of a problem with patches. [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B]4/23/2003 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 1773 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 26,595 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] �6,648.75 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 182 [B]Hrs:[/B] 10 [B]Mins:[/B] 4 [B]Seconds:[/B] 34
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