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for 20 år siden 0 16 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hopeful, Sarah, Ann, Sky, Loana, and Jaide I've just reached the exposure part of the program and was stuck on how to start. I can relate very much to what you all have been saying. I also have the "fear of fear" and do not have panic attacks in specific situations. When they happen such as at work I just have to face them as best I can. I cannot just leave work. The suggestions you made such as thinking about what thoughts and actions I am bringing the fear on with, challanging my thoughts, and rating my panic level are all really good ideas. Thanks for the suggesstions and I hope they help you all as well.
for 21 år siden 0 37 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
hopeful,you said" Sometimes I think it's because if 'it' happens - then I can stop dreading an attack, it's already happened! Does that make sense to anyone????".....i can relate 100% with that.When i have a full blown panic attack,it doesn't last that long,it's the anxiety beforehand that bothers me so much,so sometimes i just let myself have one or work myself into one just to get it over with.I don't know about anyone else,but it's the "before" and "after" that affects me more than the panic attack itself.
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I guess if you're just affraid of the fear the best thing to do is to think of the things that bring an attack on. And then work from there. Work with the triggers. Eventually if you think about them long enough and bring your fear level down like the program says your thoughts should not bring on an attack anymore. Then you can take it from there and put yourself in situations that trigger the thoughts that trigger the fear. In everyday life, I have the problem of thinking about attacks. Like when I am home alone. What I do is try to think, ok I won't have an attack if I am not alone but I think I'm having one now because I am alone. That doesn't make any sense. So I go around the house and try to find something to do to distract me from the thoughts. If they still persist then I try to figure out a logical reason why I am feeling the symptoms. Maybe I haven't eatten, maybe I am tired...whatever. Usually this helps me come up with some good reason and be able to discount the thoughts. It's all part of the challenging your thoughts part of the program. As for driving...It sounds like you already drive alot, so you must've figured out a way to deal with the attacks while driving. Do you know what triggers the attack while you are in the car? When I used to drive, for me it was a road with no shoulder, or a deserted road with no houses or businesses. If that's the case with you, you could try traveling those roads maybe with someone else until you get used to it. I'm not one to talk, as right now I am not driving at all, it's so silly since I have the tools but I'm not strong enough to use them yet.
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Thanks for the replies! Ann, I, too, assume that you have never passed out while driving, remind yourself that the probability is about .000001%. Ok, all of us have agreed that we fear the fear AND that we all seem to bring it on ourselves with our own thoughts & actions. That seems like an important piece of info, we should all try to figure out why we do it. Sky - No, I don't have a fear of crashing at all, the fear is that I'll have an attack while I'm driving. I don't know why it scares me so, if I have one I just pull over. The rating thing may help me, I think I'll try that tonight, got to do 9 hours of driving! Sarah, you could use the exposure thing on the driving. You could start out with someone else in the car and just go down the road and come back. Maybe by starting out slowly like that you could drive again and regain your independence! Don't think of jumping in the car and driving cross-country by yourself yet! Just do the smallest thing that you can feel comfortable with! You can do it!!! We all can!!!!! :)
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I had this same problem with the exposure work. I feared the fear itself. My phobia at the moment, and what I'm working on with exposure is eating. I can relate to what you're talking about with the driving because eating is an everyday thing as well. Hopeful your situation is completely different to mine, so it's not like you can build up the exposure plan through driving. When you're driving next time do that question thing and ask yourself what evidence you have for your fear, say it's crashing. Then ask yourself what evidence you have against the possibility of crashing, or whatever your worst fear is at the time. I have panic attacks in the car too from time to time. Something else that helps me is that I remind myself I can pull over, if I have to. Oh and also monitor the fear, by rating it. When you're in the car give the fear feeling a number, say it's six. Then bring it down to 2 or 3. I know it's hard. But rating the fear is very helpful too, I've found. I hope this has helped some. Take care :)
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I guess the only advice I can give you Ann, is to just keep remembering the fact that you've never passed out while driving before (I'm assuming) so you won't pass out this time. I know that is not always helpful. For me, (when driving) it's just this feeling like I'm stuck on the road and in order to get home where I feel safe, I have to continue driving. Stoplights are the worst. I feel like I just need to keep going. Then again, since this driving fear is very new to me and I quit driving right after I got it, I don't really know how I would cope if I continued to drive. I just know that right now I could not drive-alone anyway. Maybe if someone was with me... Makes me mad 'cause it really takes away all your independence!
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Hi Hopeful and Sarah, I can also relate fully to what you are experiencing as I also 'fear the fear'. I also think that I often bring on the attacks myself by my thoughts and actions. I dread driving too, as I feel like I am at my most anxious then. I am okay in the mornings until about 5 minutes before I am due to leave the house to drop my children off and go to work. My worst fear is passing out whilst driving with the children in the car. Any advice???
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Thanks Sarah! Yep, that's me for sure, the fear of fear itself! I'm afraid of a feeling, that sounds so [b]DUMB![/b] I can start to think of having an attack and have it spin out into one. Sometimes I can even think of the physical sensations I have in attack and that will bring it on, too! Sarah, I know that you're afraid of fear, just like me. But I wonder if you could try the exposure thing with your driving? You said that you don't drive anymore, maybe conquering that fear would help you with your 'fear of fear', too! Yes, I'm glad I can still drive, although some days are pure hell. Last night was very high anx for 8 hours, but no attacks. Other nights aren't so bad. But I know it's really not the driving, if it had happened somewhere else, it would have been that thing instead. I can't figure out one thing, though, and that's why do I sometimes seem to actually bring high anx or an attack on myself, almost on purpose? I know if I let my thoughts spin too far I'm gonna have one, yet sometimes I can't control them (or don't want to). Sometimes I think it's because if 'it' happens - then I can stop dreading an attack, it's already happened! Does that make sense to anyone????
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HI Hopeful, I don't think I can give you any good advice but I can only say that I have the exact same problem. I have a fear of the fear, phobophobia. This makes exposure therapy useless for me. Because even if I just think about having a panic attack, I start to feel one coming on. There is nothing in the situation that I am particularly afraid of. This fear of fear has basically made me a prisoner in my home (although things are getting better). Good for you for being able to still drive! After the third major attack I had driving, I quit driving. Anyways, maybe exposure therapy works only for people with specific phobias and not a fear of the attacks. Good luck Sarah
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I'm on the exposure part of the Panic Program and I see that it's an important part of it. The problem for me is that I have a fear of panic attacks themselves. The attacks happen in a wide variety of places and situations, so I can't pick one out and work on that as a goal. I currently have a fear of driving because that's when my last major attack happened. I can't work on exposing myself to that because I have to do it 8 - 13 hours a day regardless of how I feel. What can I do for exposure? It seems like a big part of the program is centered on that. I am at a loss on what to do at this point. I don't know how much the rest of the program will help someone with my kind of problem. Any thoughts?

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